Ki: physical or spiritual energy? Or both?

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Ki: physical or spiritual energy? Or both?
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+ Ssj3vegito96	Jan 8 2014, 07:33 AM Post #1
Posts: 10,327 Group: Elite Member Member #10,438 Joined: November 2, 2013 Gender Male Country United States Favourite Anime Dragon ball/Z/GT/S, Fullmetal Alchemist:Brotherhood, One Punch Man Favourite Manga DB/Z/S	Is ki physical or spiritual energy or both? I think both because popo empties his spirit and goku can't sense him. But that's all I got
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Instant Transmission	Jan 8 2014, 08:05 AM Post #2
Posts: 884 Group: Probation Member #10,599 Joined: December 19, 2013 Gender Male Favourite Anime you know what, this changes alot.. so fuck it What Browser do you use? Chrome	Energy energy. Strength cant be felt with out touching. Spirit power is probably location sense.
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Hearts	Jan 8 2014, 08:56 AM Post #3
Posts: 1,173 Group: Member Member #10,454 Joined: November 6, 2013	Magic = Spiritual Energy = Physical I think



Andro	Jan 8 2014, 01:13 PM Post #4
Posts: 1,854 Group: Member Member #7,941 Joined: July 13, 2012 Gender Not Specified Country None	It's life energy. It's not something with mass so it's not physical. Nor is it non-existent to be spiritual. It's simply the combination of the mind and soul. Mind and soul form a living force which is Chi!! My opinion. Edited by Andro, Jan 8 2014, 01:17 PM.



Divine Saiya-jin	Jan 8 2014, 08:45 PM Post #5
Posts: 145 Group: Member Member #9,177 Joined: March 12, 2013 Favourite Anime Dragonball Favourite Manga Dragonball	Everything is spiritual. Everything is energy. There are just different forms of energy.



petewentz	Jan 8 2014, 09:42 PM Post #6
suiteheart Posts: 283 Group: Member Member #10,603 Joined: December 20, 2013 Gender Male Favourite Anime Mononoke-Hime What Browser do you use? Firefox Favourite Manga Dragonball	This brings up some interesting questions; I think I'm agreeing with Hearts saying magic=spiritual and energy=physical. This is why Dabura has magic because he's a demon, whereas all of Gohan's abilities are energy based. That's just a generalization but you get the point. (inb4 specific example) Basically manipulating your ki is just manipulating the energy that already exists in your body... Edited by petewentz, Jan 8 2014, 09:43 PM.
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+ Ssj3vegito96	Jan 8 2014, 10:02 PM Post #7
Posts: 10,327 Group: Elite Member Member #10,438 Joined: November 2, 2013 Gender Male Country United States Favourite Anime Dragon ball/Z/GT/S, Fullmetal Alchemist:Brotherhood, One Punch Man Favourite Manga DB/Z/S	An example is reiatsu(spiritual energy) from bleach. How does ki in dbz compare to that?
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Andro	Jan 9 2014, 01:44 PM Post #8
Posts: 1,854 Group: Member Member #7,941 Joined: July 13, 2012 Gender Not Specified Country None	Divine Saiya-jin Jan 8 2014, 08:45 PM Everything is spiritual. Everything is energy. There are just different forms of energy. If you say Everything is energy you can't also say that there are different forms of energy. The only TRUE existing "energy" is that of momentum. . . down to even the very atoms. Momentum can only exist through physical matter. ^ That is for the real world. Chi is supposed to be energy besides that. It isn't dependent on atoms / matter, it isn't momentum, it's just energy which exists on it's own in living beings. Edited by Andro, Jan 9 2014, 01:46 PM.



Topographic Oceans	Jan 9 2014, 01:58 PM Post #9
Posts: 1,788 Group: Member Member #10,681 Joined: January 5, 2014 Gender Male Favourite Anime Action Comics Favourite Manga Detective Comics	I think Ki is a more physical thing, an energy that everyone has inside it's body, and that with the right training can be manipulated.
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Divine Saiya-jin	Jan 9 2014, 05:55 PM Post #10
Posts: 145 Group: Member Member #9,177 Joined: March 12, 2013 Favourite Anime Dragonball Favourite Manga Dragonball	Andro Jan 9 2014, 01:44 PM Divine Saiya-jin Jan 8 2014, 08:45 PM Everything is spiritual. Everything is energy. There are just different forms of energy. If you say Everything is energy you can't also say that there are different forms of energy. The only TRUE existing "energy" is that of momentum. . . down to even the very atoms. Momentum can only exist through physical matter. ^ That is for the real world. Chi is supposed to be energy besides that. It isn't dependent on atoms / matter, it isn't momentum, it's just energy which exists on it's own in living beings. Sure I can say that. Down to the atomic level everything is energy. It's just that every seeming material form is comprised of energy slowed down or frozen. The chi in dragonball is nothing but light that has temperature and momentum. Both different forms of energy and light but nevertheless energy. The faster the vibration of atoms the hotter and less solid that energy is. That's why when you heat up metals enough they don't disappear; they become a combination of gasses and liquid. A different form of energy but nevertheless energy. We have an aura which is created from our bodies and every cell being a motor of energy. When the characters in dragonball shoot chi they are gathering the energy in their body and creating a magnet and collection of chi in their palms. Similar to tai chi in real life. Obviously Dragonball takes it to the extremes but it's essentially the same thing. They use their internal energy as a weapon. Edited by Divine Saiya-jin, Jan 9 2014, 06:00 PM.



petewentz	Jan 9 2014, 08:05 PM Post #11
suiteheart Posts: 283 Group: Member Member #10,603 Joined: December 20, 2013 Gender Male Favourite Anime Mononoke-Hime What Browser do you use? Firefox Favourite Manga Dragonball	Andro Jan 9 2014, 01:44 PM If you say Everything is energy you can't also say that there are different forms of energy. The only TRUE existing "energy" is that of momentum. . . down to even the very atoms. Momentum can only exist through physical matter. ^ That is for the real world. Chi is supposed to be energy besides that. It isn't dependent on atoms / matter, it isn't momentum, it's just energy which exists on it's own in living beings. What about radiant energy that exists through photons which do not carry mass and therefore are not matter? "That being said, in 1905 Einstein managed to write a law that works whenever: E^2=P^2c^2+m^2c^4. The same year (the same freaking year) he figured out that light is both a particle and a wave and that the energy of a photon isn’t governed by it’s mass or it’s velocity (like matter), but instead is governed entirely by f, it’s frequency: E=hf, where h is Planck’s constant." Just saying that you can have energy outside of physical matter and while energy is directly proportional to momentum in a fictional series I can buy that they can have energy(i.e chi) that exists irrespective of their physical matter but through manipulation of this energy they are able to achieve superhuman feats. Or what Divine Saiyajin said is correct, either or. Edited by petewentz, Jan 9 2014, 08:06 PM.
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~~The Death Note~~	Jan 9 2014, 08:07 PM Post #12
Posts: 5 Group: Suspended Member #10,708 Joined: January 9, 2014	Einstein was wrong. It was proved in Transformers. Now i believe that its something like life force or Ki output. In Bleach the Captains's Reiatsu are Huge. Just look how Zaraki Kenpachi made Ichigo collapes as if it were 500x gravity. Edited by The Death Note, Jan 9 2014, 08:09 PM.



petewentz	Jan 9 2014, 08:12 PM Post #13
suiteheart Posts: 283 Group: Member Member #10,603 Joined: December 20, 2013 Gender Male Favourite Anime Mononoke-Hime What Browser do you use? Firefox Favourite Manga Dragonball	Quote: Einstein was wrong. It was proved in Transformers. Not sure if you're serious. lol I hope you're just jocking me. 1. Einstein wasn't proven wrong by a fictional series and 2. Said fictional series applies in no way to Dragonball Z's fictional laws... Sooooo irrelevant either way. Good one though, 9/10 for the reply.
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Andro	Jan 9 2014, 08:38 PM Post #14
Posts: 1,854 Group: Member Member #7,941 Joined: July 13, 2012 Gender Not Specified Country None	petewentz Jan 9 2014, 08:05 PM What about radiant energy that exists through photons which do not carry mass and therefore are not matter? "That being said, in 1905 Einstein managed to write a law that works whenever: E^2=P^2c^2+m^2c^4. The same year (the same freaking year) he figured out that light is both a particle and a wave and that the energy of a photon isn’t governed by it’s mass or it’s velocity (like matter), but instead is governed entirely by f, it’s frequency: E=hf, where h is Planck’s constant." Just saying that you can have energy outside of physical matter and while energy is directly proportional to momentum in a fictional series I can buy that they can have energy(i.e chi) that exists irrespective of their physical matter but through manipulation of this energy they are able to achieve superhuman feats. Or what Divine Saiyajin said is correct, either or. Actually, it hasn't been proven whether photons actually have mass or not. It's still a debate. Let's continue this conversation through PM if you want. We are getting off topic.



Hearts	Jan 9 2014, 09:05 PM Post #15
Posts: 1,173 Group: Member Member #10,454 Joined: November 6, 2013	Answer this and you will know if Ki is physical or not; What exactly is an energy beam? Try to find some theoretical real life version of it, if an energy beam is possible then you have your answer



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